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CyberNigma · May 19, 2009, 06:39 AM // 06:39

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Originally Posted by nkuvu

Right.

I'm confused why such offense is taken to a very minor correction. I'm not upset in any way, just trying to make my point clear. If you make a mistake while writing or speaking, and someone corrects you, do you gracefully accept the correction (whether or not you actually agree with the correction), or do you gripe and moan about being right and everyone hates you and omg why is everyone picking on you?

The reaction to the correction is more interesting to me than the correction itself. I've stated multiple times that it's trivial and doesn't really matter what you call it. So why get so incredibly adamant about defending the definition? Or on the flip side, why are people so adamant about saying it isn't a scam?

I've also stated multiple times that I personally don't care what you may call it. The vehemence is interesting, because I don't understand why people get so worked up about simple terminology. This may be a shock to you, but I'm not worked up about this. Temper tantrums are quite the opposite of how I'm viewing the thread.

Give absolute statements, get ridiculous examples in return. "Information never hurts" and "no harm in drawing people's attention, even if it is a scam or not (technically), even if it is new or old, obvious or less so."

That is, in a word, silly. Of course there are useless threads to open, and I gave some really ridiculous examples of threads that don't benefit anyone.

The staff example would be a lot more along the lines of the OP's error. Small, not really important, but not correct.

As far as moderation goes, I'm not one to question their choice in leaving the thread open or not. If this had shown up in the Community Discussion Forum on GWO when I was a moderator there, I would have closed it. But that's not my call here, and hey, their site, their rules, no worries. Just in case you may think I'm worked up about that, too.

I'm thinking you're probably addressing other people with most of your comments here, since I didn't say anything to you about whether it was a scam or not (or whether I thought it was a scam or not). I've already mentioned once what I thought it was and didn't really press it. My comments were just in relation to you in particular and how you seem to be addressing the subject of the thread.

I'm not concerned whether you are getting worked up (I'm not), I'm just being blunt with you in that I thought you were either lying or just being a bit childish. I may have misread you, though I doubt it. Take it or leave it, it was only meant to help you. I have no problems being corrected, and I appreciate the attempt. You may have made a simple correction early on, and quite possibly I didn't see it. The post that I responded to was by no means a simple, modest correction to the OP's choice of subject :-).

I don't think you're worked up, though. Others may, but that's their call. You don't seem like a person that would carry on a serious enough conversation to be worked up, but again - I may be incorrect in that assumption :-)

anyhow, out here..

EDIT: Just to clarify, I was originally only responding to Post #52 - the text you quoted and the method in which you responded to it. I also took into context the reply with regards to the OP and thread subject, since it looked to me like you were ridiculing both the OP and the person you quoted.

On a further note (also, trying to give you some help or advice, no offense), there are indeed times when I have conversations with others, usually in person, when someone says something in a manner that comes across as being incorrect. In those cases, if it's something that reeally affects the outcome of the discussion, such as incorrect knowledge about something, the people I converse with will usually offer a correction to it. If, however, it's something that doesn't affect the conversation, and everyone understands what the speaker actually meant by it, then we let it slip. Things such as mis-pronunciations (especially since most of the people I hang around with, including myself, have been to many parts of the world where things are pronounced oddly sometimes) and even minor word slips aren't usually important enough to correct someone and interrupt them (which can be rude). In the RPG arena we also have those types of people and refer to them usually as Rules Lawyers. While the rules lawyer is almost always correct, for the most part nobody desires to be around a person like that because being correct and constantly letting people know that (as well as correcting them) on things that don't matter is not exactly enjoyable to others.

In the case of this subject, whether it is labeled a scam or not is of such minor consequence to the result that someone is doing something that is not within the spirit of a game, whether competitive or not - namely relying on someone else's ignorance to take advantage of them. Taking advantage of ignorance is still taking advantage of something, and while you and others may not care, many of us do. By telling us about it, it does not hurt or affect the nay-sayers whatsoever - assuming they have the discipline to ignore the thread, while it can be a boon to others that care - namely the community. this leads me to believe that the people throwing a fit about the OPs choice of subject have other reasons for doing so.

If I could seep right now I probably wouldn't have even bothered with this, but what the heck...

So, what do those of you arguing semantics really want to get out of this? ANet will not make a decision to ban anyone based on these forums, so would you rather have the thread disappear? If so, then why? Why, in particular, would you have this information hidden when it doesn't take up space on your hard drive, isn't required reading before you get to other threads, and doesn't cause extra bandwidth on your internet connection? Again, this is just to those throwing a fit, not the ones that have just suggested nicely it's not a scam. I can't speak for the other side, but I would think that if a few people learned something from the OP that it is well worth it. Nobody learns anything by not having the thread. This also isn't common knowledge such as (not wearing armor is worse than wearing armor) so please leave more of those comments out..

Axeman002 · May 19, 2009, 08:46 AM // 08:46

ermm is this thread bout typing attitudes now?...final question..is it a scam or not as GM's say its defrauding.

nkuvu · May 19, 2009, 01:16 PM // 13:16

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Originally Posted by Axeman002

ermm is this thread bout typing attitudes now?

You'd rather have it go back to "it's a scam, no it's not, yes it is, no it's not, yes it is..." et cetera ad nauseum?

Quote:

...final question..is it a scam or not as GM's say its defrauding.

How about we just ignore that question and say "it's a bannable offense, whether you call it a scam or not"?

angela faye · May 19, 2009, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by Axeman002

ermm is this thread bout typing attitudes now?...final question..is it a scam or not as GM's say its defrauding.

That's what I found the definition of the word "scam".

scam, scams; scamming, scammed
1. A fraudulent business scheme for making money by dishonest means.
2. To deprive of with deceit; such as, a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme; especially, for making a quick profit; a swindle.
3. Etymology: from 1963, used as a noun and/or a verb; U.S. slang; said to be a carnival term, of unknown origin; however, it is obviously related to "fraud" in meaning.

If defrauding some1 to make a quick profit is not a scam, then I have nothing to say anymore.

imnotyourmother · May 19, 2009, 05:50 PM // 17:50

Well to sell those items in post you need to

a) farm 25 items for the huntsman. IF it is grawl necklaces that might take you 4-5 runs outside of Fort Ranik. Each run - without cupcakes, the only speed buff in an explorable area for pre - will take 12 minutes.

then you have to run them to post.

You need to make a toon - 5 minutes there. - 30 second to make the toon 4.5 minutes to get a name that is not taken.

Then you need to get it up to lvl 2 and get a second profession. Fastest way is to make any profession but MES. so say ELE. Kill the scale head back and get reward. Then get the quest to kill the bull. - 250XP and second profession-

Now get to lvl 2. Run to the Ashford Abby. run out the door to the wurms and agro the wolf. run back to the "guard" and kill the wolf with the guard for 120XP. Do this 8 times and get lvl 2. Map to Ascalon. Leave presearing. Fight in the PVP or not. Then wait what seems to be 5 minutes before you can go down the steps to run through the grawl to kill the boss. Cut scene. Might take 5 minutes if someone else in your group wants to see it or log out and then back in to GW.

Get on 2 copies of GW and transfer the GotH to your toon that has all 4 games and then...

WTS GIFTS 5K each

It will take you more than an hour to do this. It is easier to get 5K killing snow wurms in Hard mode solo in Boreal Station in GW:EN than to sit and wait to sell a single gift. One gift has a max value of 1500 gold (300 gold each) if you get the lvl 5 Aged hunters ales. The Jars of honey are worth 1K (200 gold each)

So is this a scam? Nope. Is it misleading. Yep. Is it dishonest. Yeper it sure is cause there is not FULL DISCLOSURE on part of the seller cause the buyer is expecting to get one thing and is getting another... Wait a sec. that's a SCAM!!!

So how do I get in on this?

angela faye · May 19, 2009, 06:49 PM // 18:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by imnotyourmother

Well to sell those items in post you need to

a) farm 25 items for the huntsman. IF it is grawl necklaces that might take you 4-5 runs outside of Fort Ranik. Each run - without cupcakes, the only speed buff in an explorable area for pre - will take 12 minutes.

then you have to run them to post.

You need to make a toon - 5 minutes there. - 30 second to make the toon 4.5 minutes to get a name that is not taken.

Then you need to get it up to lvl 2 and get a second profession. Fastest way is to make any profession but MES. so say ELE. Kill the scale head back and get reward. Then get the quest to kill the bull. - 250XP and second profession-

Now get to lvl 2. Run to the Ashford Abby. run out the door to the wurms and agro the wolf. run back to the "guard" and kill the wolf with the guard for 120XP. Do this 8 times and get lvl 2. Map to Ascalon. Leave presearing. Fight in the PVP or not. Then wait what seems to be 5 minutes before you can go down the steps to run through the grawl to kill the boss. Cut scene. Might take 5 minutes if someone else in your group wants to see it or log out and then back in to GW.

Get on 2 copies of GW and transfer the GotH to your toon that has all 4 games and then...

WTS GIFTS 5K each

It will take you more than an hour to do this. It is easier to get 5K killing snow wurms in Hard mode solo in Boreal Station in GW:EN than to sit and wait to sell a single gift. One gift has a max value of 1500 gold (300 gold each) if you get the lvl 5 Aged hunters ales. The Jars of honey are worth 1K (200 gold each)

I could hardly imagine that anyone will get their gifts of huntsman by the way you mentioned here. If you really sux at farming, why not just BUY those Nicholas collector items for less than 50g each or Gifts of Huntsman for 500g each in pre. There are lots of sellers in pre Ascalon d1. You don't have to farm!

And as all my friends and I have noticed, we have never seen anyone selling Gifts of Huntsman before Gifts of Travelers arrived in post. Like you said one gift has a max value of 1500 gold, and anyone who knows that wont pay anything more than that. So if you could get same amount of money from your gifts in pre as in post, why bother to sear them? And for whom have stayed in pre for a while should know the ratio of pre cash to post cash is around 1:2. Basically you could make more money by selling them in pre other than in post. So imo, ppl who seared their pre gifts and selling them in post after travelers' gifts been introduced in the game are more likely to take the advantages of these misleading names of both gifts.

CyberNigma · May 20, 2009, 02:03 AM // 02:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by nkuvu

You'd rather have it go back to "it's a scam, no it's not, yes it is, no it's not, yes it is..." et cetera ad nauseum?

How about we just ignore that question and say "it's a bannable offense, whether you call it a scam or not"?

From the sound of it (assuming that other poster didn't make up ANet's response) I think you pointed out what really matters :-) More importantly, you definitely don't want it to happen to you.

youwillknowfear · May 25, 2009, 01:27 PM // 13:27

The easiest solution to this is if you see it in game take a screen shot and report the person attempting. let ncsoft sort it out.

jayebyrd00 · Jun 18, 2009, 10:34 PM // 22:34

My opinion?, Definetly a SCAM. Those who engage in it?, Defenitly SCUM.
Those who try to use technicalities and such to excuse it? Well.....Lets just say I question their honesty and integrity. On a happier note. I have noticed that many sellers are starting to use the term "Hunter"s Gifts" In their spam adds. I never fell for the "scam" but have been inconvienced when travel to other districts to buy traveler's gifts only to find hunter's gifts. Now i just whisp for clarafication. Now that A-NET has shown the way. I will be definitly be taking screen shots from now on.

Sun Fired Blank · Jun 18, 2009, 10:39 PM // 22:39

Thread necromancy is so passe.